Before he died under mysterious circumstances, Jeffrey Epstein was recorded talking about Donald Trump — and what he said was damning.
In an audio recording released by journalist Michael Wolff, Epstein described how Trump manipulated his own team inside the White House. The conversation, recorded before Epstein’s 2019 arrest, took place at a Manhattan café.
“His people fight each other and then he poisons the well outside,” Epstein said, pointing to Trump’s strategy of turning staffers against one another while spreading chaos beyond the walls of the West Wing.
This quote is just one piece of what Wolff claims is a massive archive — around 100 hours of Epstein on tape — discussing Trump and their long history together.
Wolff says Epstein knew too much. “One of them ends up in the darkest prison in the country and the other in the White House,” Wolff said.
Epstein’s own story ended in a federal jail cell in August 2019. His death was ruled a suicide, but the timing and conditions have raised serious questions. Trump’s DOJ claimed surveillance cameras failed that night. Guards reportedly didn’t check on him. It happened just weeks after his arrest on federal sex trafficking charges — and while Trump was still president.
Critics have long suspected that Epstein’s death wasn’t just a failure of the system, but a cover-up meant to protect powerful people.
Adding to the suspicion, Wolff claims the FBI is in possession of images and videos from the late 1990s showing Trump at Epstein’s Palm Beach home, including one where Trump is allegedly pictured with “topless young women.” These materials, Wolff says, were seized during raids.
Trump and Epstein were no strangers. The two were often photographed together at high-end events in New York and at Mar-a-Lago. Trump once called Epstein a “terrific guy,” a comment that has since come back to haunt him.
More recently, former model Stacey Williams accused Trump of groping her in Trump Tower in 1993. She said the introduction came through Epstein.
Epstein may be gone, but his words — and the secrets he left behind — are still making waves. Listen to his recording below via The Daily Beast Podcast.
