Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) threw cold water on House Speaker Mike Johnson’s baffling assertion that President Donald Trump was an informant for the FBI in the Jeffrey Epstein scandal—a case Trump himself has publicly called a “hoax.”
Appearing on ABC’s This Week, Massie was asked to respond to Johnson’s recent comments suggesting that Trump had been an FBI informant in the Epstein investigation — a claim that raised more questions than answers, especially given Trump’s repeated dismissal of the Epstein saga as a “hoax.”
“Congressman Massie, let me begin with you and get your response to Speaker Johnson,” host George Stephanopoulos said. “He says you’ve been misled. He also suggested at one point this week — seemed to suggest that Donald Trump, President Trump, was an informant to the FBI about Jeffrey Epstein.”
Massie didn’t hesitate.
“Now, I don’t know if the speaker misspoke when he said that Donald Trump was an informant,” he replied. “The lawyers for the victim said that Donald Trump had been helpful in 2009 in their case by giving them information.”
But Massie wasn’t about to let Johnson off the hook with vague phrasing.
“But being an informant implies some formal connection and ongoing relationship with the FBI,” he said. “I don’t know what that’s all about. I think the speaker needs to clarify that.”
Then came the line that flipped the whole narrative upside down: “And if it’s a hoax, why was Donald Trump an informant to a hoax?”
That one sentence cut straight through the political theater and exposed the contradiction at the heart of Johnson’s comment — and, frankly, the broader MAGA stance on Epstein. Trump’s allies frequently call the Epstein case a media hit job or some deep-state op. Yet now, suddenly, the House Speaker is floating the idea that Trump was deeply involved in helping the FBI?
That doesn’t add up.
Massie’s question cuts through the usual fog. If Epstein was a real criminal case — and Trump genuinely helped — then why is he now calling it a hoax and trying to block the release of related files? But if it was a hoax, like Trump claims, then why was he cooperating with federal authorities in the first place?
Johnson may have been trying to sanitize Trump’s record by making him look like a hero in the Epstein story. Instead, he opened the door to the one question no one in MAGA world wants to answer.
If Epstein was a hoax — why was Trump helping the FBI?
Watch the video below from ABC.
Thomas Massie is now teaming up with George Stephanopoulos to attack Trump over Epstein, deliberately misrepresenting what Trump said about the “hoax.”
This guy will have a job at CNN within 2 years. pic.twitter.com/j7J3CMWCJa
— johnny maga (@_johnnymaga) September 7, 2025
